The many mazhabs of GAH

[mimha baha <mimha@yahoo.com>]

Lina,

Or shall I call u Anonymous Lina,  so this will put us
together in the same basket.  And this will also make
yr following insinuation stinks & sounds rather awful.


>Guess this is one sunne that hides his id...Jamna 
 
But surprisingly Lina,  my id was somehow recognized
by someone.  Three days ago I received a call thru my
handset 01788***** asking me:  'Hello…. Is that
mimha?'  Hesitantly I said '...yeah!'  You know who
that someone is?  None other than Jamna,  yr other
sparing partner!  (U may ask him to confirm this,  but
don,t worry,  Jamna is no hacker).  U know what he
said then?  He trusted me instantly and wouldn't want
to wait for another a million yrs to do that.  So
Lina,  u better swallow yr own stuff (as follows) to
avoid being choked in the throat ... 

>you better don't
>trust him for a million years...but after that you
can. 

Now on yr next point:-

>Their arguments are stupid? Which part? The quoting
of verses from the
>Quran? If that is so, you better make a complain to
God cos He is the
>Author of those ayats.

Sounds like another loose cannon.  U see,  one skyer
wrote like this to me:-

>You know, during the last hajj season, one arab big
shot passed
>away...so they prepared him for the funeral prayers
(funeral prayers 
>are a waste of time), and they switched on the volume
so loud that i
>couldn't even hear myself think.Tell me , why should
they turned up thevolume?? God is deaf???? The
behaviour of a msuhrik...the louder the >cry, the
better for the dead..hopefully their gods would pay
more
>attention to their wailings. And here we are talking
about the 
>custodian of the Kaabah!!!

And unfortunately that skyer is u yrself,  Lina.  My 6
yr old Sunni Muslim daughter will tell u that this
argument is not only stupid  (thousand apology - the
person just happen to be u!),  irrelevent but also a
terrible lie.  Just because one arab increased the
volume of the speaker,  u obsessively concluded that
it had something to do with the Sunnis and God. 
Nothing of that sort.  It is yr own creation, and mala
fide!

>Making fun of others? Syok what..... otherwise you
wouldn't read their
>postings..hahahaha who wants to read a posting that
is soooooooo dry...

Cheap publicitylah tu! Hopefully this is not the
wawasan of the so-called 'Quranite' (sic). 

>Excuse me? Where did you come up with such an idea?
Seems that this
>Kassim Ahmad guy is really notorious.GOD FORBID THE
FOLLOWING OF
>LEADERS!!! be it the religious scholar kah...your
mother kah..your
>father kah...atuk nenek moyang you ...semua cannot!
Everyone must go
>back to QURAN...Nabi Muhammad kah..Nabi Ibrahim
kah....Mahathir
>kah..Anwar Ibrahim kah ...Nik Aziz kah..MGG Pillai
kah....everyone of 

Good news!  At least now I know that u have disowned
Rashad Khalifah & Kassim Ahmad,  the founder of the
anti-ASWJ worldwide & in Malaysia in modern time. 
Soon Kassim Ahmad and his geng will disown u.  As u
can see now,  the business of anti-ASWJ group seems to
be nothing else but 'making fun of ASWJ' and disowning
each other of the same species.  Thru my reading, 
this species have many mazhabs:  some say Prophet
Muhammad is just like an innocent postman.  Others say
that only Quran is correct but not necessarily so
concerning Prophet Muhammad.  Some say that Quran has
been tempered by human hands,  while others do not
agree.  Some reject Sunnah outright;  some say the
term Sunnah refers to the Quran itself;  while others
say that Sunnah is alright if it is in line with Quran
cetera…cetera.  In yr case,  u have made it clear
about yr mazhab,  and calling some others (from the
same species) as 'bangang':-

>Who don't recognise any ayat in the Quran is a
bangang.. 'Nuff said. 

Lina, no matter what u say about Kassim Ahmad & his
geng,  in a broad spectrum,  u are actually one of
them,  except that u now terribly belong to another
mazhab of anti-ASWJ group.  

And now I don't mind to admit that one of my principal
objectives in my previous writing was to establish a
point that the anti-ASWJ actually has many mazhabs, 
most of them are irreconcilable,  and probably ten
thousand times worse that the four mazhabs within the
Sunni school of thought!  And thanks God,  that one
objective is now achieved,  with yr help!  U know that
ASWJ does not disown each other (Syafie,  Maliki, 
Hambali & Hanafi), the way you just did to Kassim
Ahmad & his geng.  I think Kassim will be upset with
yr so-called blasphemous statements..

>So how now? which
>category am i now? Bukan geng kassim Ahmad and bukan
geng Nik
>Aziz...Hopefully, in the geng of the Muttaqins,
Solehins and the
>Mukmins... yahooooooooooooooo!!!!

This is the trouble with u guys & gals who belong to
this species.  U call ASWJ a confused lot.  What u
said just now is an irrevocable admission on how
confuse u are!  U want to be on yr own,  holding the
Quran,  and refused to wear anyone's brand of dresses.
 To u all other dresses look horrible,  one way or
another.  So now u find yrself standing naked, 
holding a copy of Quran (translated or otherwise).  So
u better enjoy the snowy winter in Antarctica or the
hot summer in the desert,  alone ... alone and naked!

The other irony is that:  while on the one hand u
adamantly wanting to be different from (at least) ASWJ
& Kassim Ahmad,  on the other hand u rely on other
peoples' translation of the Quran - I guess most
likely translated by Sunni translators (because u
admitted that it was bought from Jalan Tuanku Abdul
Rahman). Not only that,  u have this to say regarding
the translation:-

>Same Quran..... but translations would depend on the
>translator......more brains, better translation; less
brains, terrrible translation. 

What brains?  The translators' brain is one thing, 
and yr brain is another thing,  Lina.  Where do u
create equilibrium between yr brain & the translators'
brain?  U think u have more brain than the
translators?  That being the case,  u should rely on
yr own translation,  becomes a Guru and Murid yrself &
not relying on others.  At least one Othman Ali
(another self-appointed Malaysian Guru of yr own
species) has written his own translation of Quran. 
Who is more confused now?  I am not,  definitely!

>...must go back to Quran! One Leader...Only GOD.No
other buku
>allowed...just the Quran.

At best,  this is an abuse of language.  It sounds
admirable.  Kassim Ahmad said the same thing before
but came out with those unpalatable results.  Worst
still,  he credited those unpalatable things to the
Quran (and only Quran,  no Sunnah u know) itself. So
what is the different between Kassim Ahmad and you
Lina?  With that I think I have answered yr following
remarks:-

>Satu ayat dari Quran pun dia tak de sebut...and he
thinks he is on the
>right path...tsk!tsk!tsk! berani you? If i lah..tak
berani 
>langsung..... 

Now I give u more stuff to swallow:-

>When you want to fight with someone, use his own
weapon.....so when >you
>fight with a Quranite, use the Quran...don't use
man-made hadeeth or
>your own brain...it'll get thrown back to you. But
when we use your >own weapon to fight you back, you
say we are insulting the >Prophet..Mana logic ni??
Sunah Rasul semua dalam Quran.

Ait?  I thought I just read like this from you:-

>more brains, better translation; less brains,
terrrible translation.

Sometimes u talk about the importance of brain power
(because u do not understand Quran without its
translation),  but in other instances u said I should
not use my brain.  Just use the Quran only.  (Don't u
think that even brains are God's creation to
understand the divine commandments?) What a confuse u,
 Lina!

And since u are relying on the Quranic translation +
yr own and own brain only to understand the divine
revelation,  let me remind u of what a wellknown
English laureate, TS Elliot said about translation
works:  'A literary arts can never be translated'.  TS
Elliot is only talking about 'literary arts',  but
before us is more than that:  We are dealing with
Quran which contains not only ayat-ayat 'muhkamaat', 
but also ayat-ayat 'mutasyabihaat' (Surah 3: Ayat 7).

'He it is Who has sent down
To thee the Book;
In it are verses basic or fundamental
(Of established meaning);
They are the foundation
Of the Book:  others
Are not of well-established meaning.  But those
In whose hearts is perversity follow
The part thereof that is not of well-established
meaning.
Seeking discord,  and searching
For its hidden meanings,
But no one knows
Its true meanings except Allah.
And those who are firmly grounded
In knowledge say:  "We believe
In the Book;  the whole of it
Is from our Lord:"  and none
Will grasp the Message
Except men of understanding.

>Kassim Ahmad! Kassim Ahmad! Kassim Ahmad! You guys
have no other name
>kah to say???Cuba bukak surah 2 ayat 165 to 167...see
what God has to
>say about Followers and Leaders. 

Why are u so angry with me?  Kassim is closer to yr
understanding as compared to ours ASWJ.  In fact,  as
I said earlier u are very much of the same species as
Kassim,  albeit of a different mazhab.  Anyway,  as I
also mentioned earlier,  u have the option whether to
wear Kassim's (and the likes') dresses or just being
naked while holding al-Quran (translated by a Sunni or
otherwise) in yr hand.  I know u will not wear our
baju or seluar...

And what u say about Leaders & Followers,  quoting
from the Quran, are nothing more than just yr owny
understanding of the verses.  I don't see in what way 
the verses refer to any particular/specific quarter, 
negatively. The verses can be applied to peoples like
u as well.  Not really a great reference to the Quran
indeed.  Obsession?  Overuse? Maybe..

I got to stop now.  Time for prayer.  Over to u. 
Roger & out.


mimha


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